r/movies • u/Sisiwakanamaru • Jan 18 '23
Gerard Butler Has Finally Found His Niche — Making Dad Movies For Guys Who Might Not Even Be Dads Yet Article
https://decider.com/2023/01/18/gerard-butler-king-of-the-dad-movie/2.1k
u/svenne Jan 18 '23
Gerard has one of my favorite ever AMA's on Reddit. He gave really good long thought out answers. And the day after he posted this youtube thank you video. He completely won me over.
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u/saberplane Jan 18 '23
I love this part of his response to what he does to relax:
so for instance, camping on top of a glacier in Iceland, setting up a tent at 1 o clock in the morning, listening to Sigur Ros while the Northern Lights dance over your head - that beats anything that I could ever do as a performer. These are moments that you take to the grave and beyond. And worth anybody pursuing.
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u/cornucopia-of-plenty Jan 18 '23
Listening to sigur ros right now as I read this! Unfortunately the setting is only my bedroom, but sigur ros makes any situation heavenly
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u/PaulSandwich Jan 18 '23
No matter where you listen to sigur ros, you're always listening to sigur ros on a glacier in iceland.
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u/Lexi_Banner Jan 18 '23
OMG, this is such a cute reply:
My favorite actor to work with? Tough question because I have been very blessed in how many great actors I've worked with - in fact I'm sick of making movies that say Oscar Winner Hillary Swank and Gerard Butler, or Oscar Winner Angelina Jolie and Gerard Butler, or Oscar Winner Morgan Freeman and Gerard Butler... one day they'll say winner of the High School Karaoke competition Gerard Butler.
No I did win a few Karaoke competitions but not in High school. I won some raffles in High School though. But I'm just trying to make myself sound better than I am.
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u/NuffNuffNuff Jan 18 '23
Look for Ethan Hawkes ama, it's amazing too
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u/svenne Jan 18 '23
I just read it after your comment and that was an amazing AMA too. I saw he did another AMA 3 years after the first one but it got just 5% of the upvotes of the first one.. Shame cause he sounded so hyped about the first AMA and said he would be back cause he had a blast.
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u/WickedDeviled Jan 19 '23
Seems as we are talking about Ethan Hawk. His Ted Talk is also dope: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRS9Gek4V5Q
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u/Lexi_Banner Jan 18 '23
He's like Hugh Jackman. Absolutely sweet and adorable, and you'd never know how much of a big star he is based on how genuine and laid back he is. Love it.
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u/Throwaway1017aa Jan 18 '23
Yeah he seems like a good dude. I think he's a good actor too even if it's a ridiculous plot or over the top story he's really entertaining and pulls you in. I'll always watch his movies.
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u/doyoulikemynewcar Jan 18 '23
GEOSTORM!!!
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u/PeterPorkHer- Jan 18 '23
Damn almost forgot Geostorm and Greenland are 2 different movies
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u/remembervideostores Jan 18 '23
The “Saturday evening on TBS” movie will never die.
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u/sloppyjo12 Jan 18 '23
My favorite review i saw for Plane was “a massive landmark in cinema that your dad turns on halfway through at 9:30 on FX because nothing else is on”
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u/DadBodybuilder Jan 18 '23 edited Jan 18 '23
My favourite review for any movie was the Clive Owen King Arthur “it feels like a really, really cheap Gladiator knock off.”
Edit: I’m not saying the movie is good or bad, that review always cracked me up. I found a Chinese bootleg dvd of it in Toronto 20 years back that had that on the cover. Really sold me on it, so I paid the man $5 for it.
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u/SunshineAlways Jan 18 '23
Harsh, I’m not nominating it for an Academy Award, but I found it enjoyable, and have watched it a few times.
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u/green49285 Jan 18 '23
Yeah I love that movie.
"OF COURSE IM GOING! WITHOUT ME YOULL ALL GET KILLED!"
Gets me every time.
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u/lynypixie Jan 18 '23
I call them hotel room movies. There is always something like that playing when you travel.
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u/BeetsBy_Schrute Jan 18 '23 edited Jan 18 '23
Funny chain of events story that reminds me of the "Saturday evening on TBS" movie
To preface, my mom absolutely loves the "dad movie" genre equally as much as my stepdad. A few months ago, I sent my stepdad this meme about Hunt for Red October. He thought it was hilarious and said "great movie!"
A few weeks later, I send my mom a quick article one night. She responds "I can't read it right now, I'm watching Hunt for Red October." and just have to laugh about the irony of it. Then another week goes by, I'm sitting and watching The Fugitive on
Spike TV (the ultimate dad movie channel nowadays)Paramount Network one Saturday evening. And I see an ad during their commercial break that says "tune in tomorrow evening at 9 PM for our feature presentation of Hunt for Red October!"Just funny how this definite dad movie kept popping up around me over the course of a month
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u/AuroraBeerelous Jan 18 '23
How can this leave out Reign of Fire. Hope this writer likes dragons
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u/dubious_battle Jan 18 '23
Reign of Fire is great. I love the scene where they reenact Star Wars for the post-apocalypse kids
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u/BeeCJohnson Jan 18 '23
Matthew McConaughey eats that movie alive. He's so wonderful.
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u/Titan7771 Jan 18 '23
How the hell did I not know Gerard Butler was in that movie?
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u/AuroraBeerelous Jan 18 '23
He played the big dragon
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u/Titan7771 Jan 18 '23
Guess that explains the dragon's Scottish accent!
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u/The_Ghola_Hayt Jan 18 '23
You're thinking of Dragonheart
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u/QTheStrongestAvenger Jan 18 '23
"You're the man now, dragon." - best quote of that movie film.
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u/CipherDaBanana Jan 18 '23
Christian Bale and Matthew McConaughey kinda stole the show on that movie.
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u/rugbyj Jan 18 '23
Reign of Fire in a nutshell:
- Bale: Pensive oik
- Butler: Cocky homesteader
- McConaughey: DRAGGGGOOOON SLAAAAAYYYYERRRR
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u/DustFunk Jan 18 '23
McConaughey went balls to the wall for that film and he deserves credit for it
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u/DesolationUSA Jan 18 '23
Seriously between that and leaving out Gamer as well as law abiding citizen I dont buy that the author has bothered to really look at Gerards IMDB page let alone watched any of these movies.
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u/Cyathem Jan 18 '23
Man, law abiding citizen was pretty good. I'd say it's a strong 7/10
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u/NoNefariousness2144 Jan 18 '23
Gerard Butler is one of the most reliable actors. You are going to get a 5/10 film that will have some cool action and some super cheesey funny moments. I saw Plane and it was the most safe and mindless fun you can expect from a film.
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u/ColdPressedSteak Jan 18 '23
He's starting to out Liam Neeson Liam at the same game. Makes sense though because Liam is old af now for 'action' while Gerard is nearing the age Liam was for Taken
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u/GlitteringFutures Jan 18 '23
300 is almost 20 years old now.
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u/No___ImRight Jan 18 '23
And Leonidas was around 60 years old at the actual Battle of Thermopylae
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u/MrT-1000 Jan 18 '23
Damn he looked shredded af for 60 in a fully historically-accurate recreation of the actual battle
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u/SpaceCaboose Jan 18 '23
Recreation? I thought it was a documentary!
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u/user11711 Jan 18 '23
Love me some Niam Leesons
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u/Steinrikur Jan 18 '23 edited Jan 18 '23
Too bad Bruce Willie is no longer active
Edit: I meant Bruce Willy, not Bruce Willis
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u/bensefero Jan 18 '23
Liam Neesons on the phone like, "I have a certain set of skills." Man you don't fuck with Liam Neesons!!
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u/enjoytheshow Jan 18 '23
Christ he’s 53. Hard to believe Leonidas ages.
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u/Brown_Panther- Jan 18 '23
What's crazier is that the real Leonidas was 60 during battle of Thermopylae.
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u/BeeCJohnson Jan 18 '23
"The old ones say we Spartans are descended from Hercules himself. Bold Leonidas gives testament to our bloodline."
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u/PIG20 Jan 18 '23
Greenland was a fun disaster film as well.
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u/icup2 Jan 18 '23
I actually really enjoyed Greenland. It's pretty high quality disaster film.
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u/elmatador12 Jan 18 '23
I actually think it’s the best disaster movie that’s been out for a very long time. Maybe since Independence Day. I loved Greenland. Not sure how they are going to do the sequel they are apparently making, but hope they come up with something awesome again.
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u/boofadoof Jan 18 '23
The sequel will be something original at least. What other movies show the aftermath of an apocalypse and the grueling work it would take for people to rebuild a safe society?
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u/-retaliation- Jan 18 '23
I'll be honest, I'm not interested enough to actually read any of these articles, but when I googled it, I saw a bunch of articles about the sequel going into bankruptcy.
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u/m0rden Jan 18 '23
Day after Tomorrow was neat. Obviously no masterpiece, but still very entertaining.
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u/AFoxGuy Jan 18 '23
2012 is peak Disaster tho, mindless disaster movie with no logic but still peak destruction.
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u/taint-juice Jan 18 '23
“John Cusack.. just a normal dumpy dad… until one day this limo driver has to save his KEEDS from the end of the world…. BECAUSE THE MAYAN CALENDAR WAS RIGHT111!!”
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u/Groovatronic Jan 18 '23
There are so many scenes where they drove away from explosions just to barely make it. I mean seriously like the first half of the movie is near constant driving away from / busy overwhelming CGI destruction.
I mean it’s fun and mindless like you said, but it’s just so much destruction it’s insane
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Not sure how they are going to do the sequel they are apparently making
2 hours of people sweeping up rubble, going from building to building looking for tinned food while trying to avoid stepping on rotten bodies. All with a distressed face and tear marks down their dirty faces.
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u/Ragman676 Jan 18 '23
Greenland was way better than expected. Some of the plot lines were brutal and left you feeling completley helpless and full of suspense. Geostorm on the other hand....everyone should TOTALLY watch knowing it's a campy piece of shit and just go along for the ride.
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u/jamesneysmith Jan 18 '23
I agree only I'd rate his movies 6/10. They're not bad but they're not great but they are fun and enjoyable. Solid 6.
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u/stml Jan 18 '23
Agreed. His movies are basically the baseline for action movies that I'm willing to watch.
He seems to at least give a shit for each movie he's in.
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u/StruckOutInSlowPitch Jan 18 '23
I love me some Law Abiding Citizen though 8/10
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u/GREENZOID Jan 18 '23
You just described Copshop and he's exactly why I liked it.
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u/Arglefarb Jan 18 '23
He will always be Mr. One Two to me.
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u/itsmejpt Jan 18 '23
How this movie wasn't mentioned is beyond me.
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u/KeenPro Jan 18 '23
It even mentions Statham in Snatch, Yet is just oblivious to RocknRolla.
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u/icwhatudiddere Jan 18 '23
So bummed there’s no indication of a sequel. Would probably take a huge amount of $$$ to get The Wild Bunch back for another movie.
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u/nrag726 Jan 18 '23
Between RocknRolla and The Man from UNCLE, Guy Ritchie loves teasing sequels.
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u/Upset_Ad9532 Jan 18 '23
I think the implied myth of a sequel is more valuable to the story than the sequel itself.
Like do we really need to see slick, sober Jonny quid making the waster to warlord transition? Is the wild bunch gonna become real suit and tie gangsters?
Feels like any sequel would have to 180 some character arcs until they're no longer lovable fuck-ups or manufacture a new big bad for them to be scrappy underdogs against again.
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u/hiphiprenee Jan 18 '23
Gerard Butler could make 500 more “Has Fallen” movies and I would happily watch each one multiple times.
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u/Iyagovos Jan 18 '23
I've put on Olympus Has Fallen as my bedtime movie many many more times than I'd like to admit
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u/Mike7676 Jan 18 '23
You can admit it, I think I bought all three just to have something to pop on that makes me smile.
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u/HomChkn Jan 18 '23
I watched all three while cleaning and cooking/baking one Saturday and my wife asked if I had just watched the same movie 3 times.
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u/Apprehensive_Offer15 Jan 18 '23
“Marine two, prepare for sacrifice.” “Copy.” Most badass line in action movie history.
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u/douchiesnacks Jan 18 '23
The 2nd movie has so many badass moments. Like the one shot assault on the terrorist compound. Or the go back to the fuckheadistan line 😂.
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u/discovigilantes Jan 18 '23
I like "How about we play a game of fuck off, you go first" from the first one
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u/PM_ME_UR_RSA_KEY Jan 18 '23
London has Fallen is one of the best video game movie ever made (in the same sense of "Die Hard is the best Christmas movie").
The entire movie is basically Call of Duty cut-scenes strung together.
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u/Uzzer_lozer19 Jan 18 '23
"GERARD BUTLER... HAS FALLEN 500, DOWN THE STAIRS! An 80 year old dad too busy chewing the set and falls down stairs and has to survive on the trash scripts that come through his mailbox until his agent needs more dividends and visits."
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u/ObligatoryGrowlithe Jan 18 '23
BREAKING: Gerard Butler has fallen down the stairs at the 2023 Met Gala.
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u/yet_another_newbie Jan 18 '23
Olympus Has Fallen was the Die Hard 5 that we should have gotten, instead of the one we did get.
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u/_Shakedown_1979_ Jan 18 '23 edited Jan 18 '23
My favorite Gerald Butler fact is he hated training for 300 with the legendary Mark Twight and the Blevins so much he quit and just did steroids instead. I respect that
Edit: If anyone is interested in what these guys do and what they take when they’re getting ready for these roles look up Moreplatesmoredates on YouTube. Despite the name, he does fantastic deep dives on these guys and potential steroid useage.
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u/YoYoMoMa Jan 18 '23
Den of Thieves makes so much more sense now.
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u/TargaryenKnight Jan 18 '23
They’re all so buff in that one lol
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u/LoganMcMahon Jan 18 '23
The steroid budget for that one is uncomprehend-able, literal buckets of HGH a week per actor.
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u/Methzilla Jan 18 '23
Den of Theives is unironically awesome.
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u/AndrewRawrRawr Jan 18 '23
I love how the article calls it Dumb Heat. We are clearly in the dumb timeline my man, sorry that art mimics reality.
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u/Flashman420 Jan 18 '23
It’s Monster Energy Heat. A trash cop masterpiece. Sweaty Gerard Butler chugging pepto bismol never gets old.
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What a good movie, the only thing that brought it down was ice cube’s son. Barely acting, just doing the confused eyebrow thing that ice cube does minus the yelling.
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u/drakon3rd Jan 18 '23
This makes it sound like he only did steroids and stopped training lol. But yeah all these actors are on it
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u/green49285 Jan 18 '23
I mean, what gave it away? The fact that dudes in their 40s and 50s are shredded like God damn demigods? 🤣
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u/drakon3rd Jan 18 '23
Lmao you’d be surprised how many people don’t realize that. That’s how so many sell their products
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u/wastedmytwenties Jan 18 '23
I wonder how well 'The 300 Workout' would have done if it was included in the marketing material that it was the routine that the cover star didn't do?
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u/_Shakedown_1979_ Jan 18 '23
Tbh the 300 workout was never meant to be a stand alone workout, it was a benchmark they used for their training to gauge progress and motivate them.
Mark is pretty open about the whole thing with Butler, and in Gerald’s defense, so is he. Mark has thrown shade at him for years over the whole thing, but has recently come out and said he doesn’t know if he would’ve done things the same way now. Eluding that the intensity was too much and they could’ve gotten equal or better results doing other modalities.
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u/Slick_McFavorite1 Jan 18 '23
Mid 2000s was ground zero for workout intensity for intensity sake. Now all of these crossfit style trainers are older and realizing they could’ve got the same results without all of the injuries.
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u/prodical Jan 18 '23
Can I get a source on that? I believe it as I think 90% of Hollywood actors in that shape are on roids, but a quick Google doesn’t lead me to what you said.
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u/Leadbaptist Jan 18 '23
Honestly if you look at him in 300 and compare him to the size of modern buff actors, his body isnt even that impressive.
Actors have gotten fuckin huge.
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u/TheTKz Jan 18 '23
Why would you make me aware I’m the same age as Hugh in X-Men, that hurt to read.
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u/11_petals Jan 18 '23
I just turned that age today 😭 I guess it's time to start juicing?
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u/Kareers Jan 18 '23
I mean, even the first pic of Johnson screams "roids" to me. Maybe not roided out to his tits, but still roid-y.
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u/TorvaldUtney Jan 18 '23
Johnson was on steroids there - he even got surgery for his gyno right around that time, which is why he started wrestling with a tank on.
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u/prodical Jan 18 '23
Yep, agreed. He wasn’t as ripped as the actors in super hero movies now. But I believe they were all on steroids even so.
The problem is every actor lies about it, and that gives really false impressions of what is attainable to the natty among us.
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u/LightinDarkness420 Jan 18 '23
They're under contract to lie about it. Think Disney wants their stars openly admitting to using?
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u/HaveAWillieNiceDay Jan 18 '23
This is what I respect about Kumail Nanjiani: when he got ripped for Eternals, he was the first to say "this is unhealthy, and also completely unattainable if you're not being paid to do it".
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u/Tropical_Bob Jan 18 '23 edited Jun 30 '23
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u/Gabriel_Seth Jan 18 '23
Same with when Mac got ripped on Always Sunny. He posted "oh yeah this is super achievable, just quit your job, have a company pay for a chef and personal trainer around the clock, be able to do nothing at all except exercise. I don't know why everyone is doing it"
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u/RyanTheQ Jan 18 '23
Moreplatesmoredates
I must be stupid because I tried reading this like a Greek name.
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u/yeahwellokay Jan 18 '23
Gerard Butler's niche is movies that Russell Crowe turned down. And then Kyle Chandler's niche is movies that Gerard Butler turned down.
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u/nextgentactics Jan 18 '23
Kyle Chandler hasn't made an action movie like the ones Butler makes in his career. He's stuck as interesting male father figure, fbi agent or sports guy.
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u/YoYoMoMa Jan 18 '23
When they cast an FBI agent they just flip a coin between him and Jon Hamm at this point.
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u/Ordinary_Fella Jan 18 '23 edited Jan 18 '23
I loved him in Bloodline. Admittedly can't remember much of his roles past that though.
Edit: I find it funny that all 3 replies to this comment are shows or movies I've never seen. Which probably answers why I can't remember said roles.
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u/citrixworkreddit3 Jan 18 '23
The newspaper he gets every morning tells him what roles to take
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u/respondin2u Jan 18 '23
Ron Livingston’s niche is taking movies Kyle Chandler turned down.
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u/TerminatorReborn Jan 18 '23
Bro the disrespect to Kyle Chandler. He is a great actor. I would say Kyle Chandler gets the good guys roles that Tom Hanks turns down.
Not that he doesn't have range tho, he played a sleazy charming dude really well in Game Night.
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u/GhettoChemist Jan 18 '23
Colin Farrell is establiahed now but when he came on the scene in 2003 he was the poor man's Brad Pitt
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u/hazbutler Jan 18 '23
*Drunk man's Brad Pitt.
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u/ParfaitsHaveLayers Jan 18 '23
According to Brad Pitt's recent sobriety, Brad Pitt was the drunk man's Brad Pitt.
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u/DJSeale Jan 18 '23
I have never in my life been so deeply triggered by a comment on the internet.
I practically grew up an orphan in a fucked up home and Kyle Chandler has been my pretend Dad since I was 10.
I have dutifully followed every step of his career for 26 years.
Absolutely nothing in his catalog is comparable to the kinds of roles taken by the other two actors being discussed here.
He is a god damned national treasure! ugly sobbing in a pillow fort LEAVE KYLE ALONE!
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u/StillAWildOne1949 Jan 18 '23
Den of Thieves rules. Everyone is hilariously jacked, even the cuck brother in law or whatever has arms like tree trunks.
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u/horsewitnoname Jan 18 '23
Den of Thieves is super entertaining. Great popcorn flick you can turn on if your brain is melted from a long day.
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u/Grambo74 Jan 18 '23
DEN OF THIEVES = "DUMB HEAT"
As a huge fan of DEN OF THIEVES, this made me LOL. As Homer Simpson would say, "it's funny because it's true."
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u/Sad-Percentage-992 Jan 18 '23
The climax is also genuinely a uniquely American hell. You’re fucking stuck in endless traffic and a bunch of asshole vets that blew their get-rich-quick scheme start popping off with fucking automatic weapons (thus destroying your car and giving you PTSD) in order to try and escape a literal police gang that has no moral code other than winning against perceived bad guys.
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u/professionalcynic1 Jan 18 '23
I love the restaurant scene where Gerard Butler is annoying the crew. "We got family here bro, don't really appreciate you popping off!"
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u/StudBoi69 Jan 18 '23 edited Jan 18 '23
The last couple of movies from him have been pretty watchable (Copshop, Greenland, Den of Thieves), so good for him.
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u/MyNameIs_Jordan Jan 18 '23
Greenland is an actual good disaster film
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u/StudBoi69 Jan 18 '23
I was expecting something along the lines of a Roland Emmerich-style CGI clusterfuck, but it was way more restrained and grounded than I expected. Yeah pretty good shit.
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u/thedavecan Jan 18 '23
He will always be Stoic the Vast to me. Such a great dad arc.
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u/Yodude86 Jan 18 '23
I said this the other day, Gerard is making those dumb, fantasy-fulfilling, ToughGuy action flicks for all of us and I love him for it
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u/AutomaticDesk Jan 18 '23
As a teenager who cried watching Armageddon, I can confirm that this is a demographic
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u/Dottsterisk Jan 18 '23
He has steadfastly avoided superhero movies, and he forms a neat British Isles triangle, repping Scotland opposite Jason Statham’s England and Liam Neeson’s Ireland.
Legit made me chuckle.
A good article and not a bad appraisal of the man’s career. The author takes shots, but they’re not mean-spirited, and they also give credit where credit is due.
I’m just surprised they didn’t mention Butler’s godawful and thankfully brief attempt at social commentary, with garbage like Gamer and Law Abiding Citizen.
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u/ColdPressedSteak Jan 18 '23
Law Abiding Citizen was fun. Just the ending that sucked
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u/Dasbeerboots Jan 18 '23 edited Jan 18 '23
I remember the beginning and parts of the middle being good. Don't remember anything about how it ended though.
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u/-SneakySnake- Jan 18 '23
The concept behind Gamer is good, They Live era John Carpenter could have spun something really great out of it.
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u/Rise-from-the-Grave7 Jan 18 '23
This was my feeling. Cool concept, kinda lame execution
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u/BostonUniStudent Jan 18 '23
I blame the director and not the actors on this one.
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u/Tpmbyrne Jan 18 '23
Law abiding citizen is my favourite one of his films. rockandrolla is my favourite performance of his
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u/Sin2K Jan 18 '23
Annoyed the author of the article deliberately ignored RocknRolla, and you know they're aware of it because they're exactly the kind of movie nerd to tell you about Tom Hardy's role in a Guy Ritchie movie...
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u/NakedMuffinTime Jan 18 '23
I'm shocked you hate Law Abiding Citizen. It's no Oscar winner, but it's certainly (IMO) far from garbage.
Gamer? Yeah, that one goes straight to the dump.
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u/MJZuurman Jan 18 '23
The 'Has Fallen' movies are top tier over the top action, have a beer and smoke a joint, man movies! I love them.
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u/joebobjoebobjoebob12 Jan 18 '23
I don't understand how "Dad" has become an adjective, especially in the case of "dad movies for guys who might not even be dads yet". What the hell does that mean? Does that imply that any movie starring a white guy other than Tom Holland or Timothee Chalmet is a "dad" movie?
I don't have any issues with Gerard Butler's oeuvre, but it seems vaguely ageist to suggest that only middle-aged white guys watch his films. There are plenty of teenagers and 20-somethings clicking through Netflix and choosing his action movies (usually because they're high, but still).
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u/trentshipp Jan 18 '23
"Appealing to middle-aged men, primarily" would be the definition, I suppose. Everything has a target market. So calling it a Dad movie for non-dads would be like saying "it's a kids movie that parents will enjoy". Movies with appeal outside of their intended demographic.
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Jan 18 '23
I love Gerard Butler movies (30 year old white guy here). They are entertaining, and sometimes I don't want to watch a complex drama with social commentary on geopolitical or socioeconomic issues, and just want to watch shit blow up and have people shoot some guns. Some movies were made just to be entertaining and fun, and Butler does great in them. Looking forward to watching Plane this weekend.
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u/CremeOfSumYumGai Jan 18 '23
What’s with the Gerard Butler slander? This article is so up its own ass and acts like he’s made one solid movie his entire career and the rest were just barely passable. Not every movie has to be a contender for awards.
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u/Dudian613 Jan 18 '23
Movie nerds are the worst. Movies are allowed to be fun. He makes fun movies. Mission accomplished.
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Jan 18 '23
As safe and mediocre as Gerard Butler's movies might be, they will never be as safe and mediocre as entertainment media "journalism"
This writing makes reddit look positively artistic.
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u/cerpintaxt44 Jan 18 '23
Finally? That's been his niche for 15 years