r/movies • u/CrackHeadRodeo • Mar 19 '23
'Catch Me If You Can' conman Frank Abagnale lied about his lies. Article
https://nypost.com/2023/03/13/catch-me-if-you-can-conman-frank-abagnale-lied-about-his-lies/4.9k
u/GodFlintstone Mar 19 '23
Sounds completely on brand for this guy.
3.8k
u/hawkeye224 Mar 19 '23
And Jordan Belfort too.. I mean, he may have actually committed financial fraud, but all the other stuff was exaggerated. There's a video of him giving a speech at his company party, and it's so lame, nobody is evening listening to him (and not because there's some crazy party going on, just nobody bothers to listen to him lol). While in the movie he was portrayed as some super charismatic dude.
487
u/Acceptable_Foot7830 Mar 19 '23
The book reads like straight fiction as well. Way too many direct quotes for an autobiography, no way this dude remembers that many speeches or conversations that closely
→ More replies (3)77
148
u/General_Specific303 Mar 19 '23 edited Mar 20 '23
No one called him Wolf of Wall Street or anything of Wall Street. His company was on Long Island. He took the moniker from another guy and made it the title of his book, which is probably as made-up as Abagnale's story
→ More replies (1)3.6k
u/Convergecult15 Mar 19 '23
Everyone on Wall Street is a total loser who discovered cocaine after college and thinks they’re a party animal in this insane party lifestyle. Wallstreet is way more like American psycho, fucking weird dudes doing blow in opulent settings and talking about nothing until eventually somebody leaves to go to a rub and tug.
1.1k
u/beer_ninja69 Mar 19 '23
Isn't the joke that Bateman tries too hard to outclass and impress his friends who are classless douchturds that basically ignore him because they couldn't really care about anything anyway?
616
u/Drunky_McStumble Mar 19 '23
The idea that someone as objectively, outwardly insane as Bateman just blends right on in with these vapid 80's business bros to such a degree that they barely even register his presence is meant to say more about the vapid 80's business bros than about Bateman.
61
→ More replies (4)117
u/Urbasebelong2meh Mar 20 '23
One of my favorite parts of the movie is that in comparison to a lot of the people he meets, Bateman himself is an empathetic person. He understands the weight of his actions, the consequences and implications. He knows he is evil and he relishes in it, actively. He wants that to be regarded, and he believes he should be judged as the monster he is
The businessmen, the realtor lady, they just don’t care. They don’t care that he’s clearly, patently insane and don’t care that he’s hurt people. I think that’s what drives him more nuts than anything else—every single person in his life is just too detached from reality or just apathetic to give a shit. He can kill as many women as he damn well pleases and no one’s ever going to care because he’s just another rich guy surrounded by rich guys. He’s as invincible and expendable as they all are.
→ More replies (13)→ More replies (38)828
u/Convergecult15 Mar 19 '23
Idk I’m not an expert on movies, I’m an expert on partying in Manhattan.
145
→ More replies (13)49
814
u/myassholealt Mar 19 '23
I went to a school with one of the top 10 MBA programs. They definitely don't discover it after college. They're all playing that role during college too. Especially the ones who got internships at big banks/firms.
→ More replies (1)568
u/Convergecult15 Mar 19 '23
Regardless of when they started doing Coke they’re lame and their parties suck and they don’t realize either.
437
Mar 19 '23
[deleted]
96
Mar 19 '23
[deleted]
109
u/ProfessorRGB Mar 19 '23
I had a after party for all the staff at the club I used to work at and a few regulars showed up. The party started winding down around 10am and the regulars were impressed by the staff’s ability to maintain that long. “It’s not impressive man, we just didn’t get started til 4 am.”
→ More replies (9)→ More replies (4)22
u/WompaStompa_ Mar 19 '23
My wife is in hospitality, can confirm that their holiday parties are a blast
88
u/SonOfMcGee Mar 19 '23
What are the worst groups to do events for?
In a similar Reddit thread someone said cheerleading/pageant events suck hard, not from the participants, but from the monstrous parents.→ More replies (4)25
→ More replies (8)28
u/Mypornnameis_ Mar 19 '23
Not fair. Hospitality industry has some of the actually most amazing party lifestyles somehow on shit wages while working brutal 12 hour shifts the rest of the time.
→ More replies (5)→ More replies (2)112
Mar 19 '23
Wall Street dudes (in general) are boring in addition to being selfish, arrogant and off-putting.
The entire 2000s money-chasing culture glorified them in bizarre and inaccurate ways. When you meet them in person, it’s decidedly underwhelming.
→ More replies (3)166
u/RyVsWorld Mar 19 '23 edited Mar 20 '23
Idk when i worked on wallstreet like 5 years ago, i barely knew anyone who openly talked about doing cocaine. We were losers but mainly because we spent 70% of our day being a computer screen moving logos around.
→ More replies (9)185
u/lameboy90 Mar 19 '23
One of my favourite things about American psycho is at face value Patrick tries to appear so smart and so much cooler and interesting than all his friends, and many incels are like 'wow he's literally me'.
However, the author intentionally wrote so many of the things he 'knows', music knowledge, dates, serial killer knowledge wrong and he's actually a complete loser (so I guess the incels are right, he is literally them).
It's a great trick to intentionally make people think he is smart, articulate and interesting, while actually writing him to be a complete idiot.
→ More replies (3)→ More replies (12)16
246
u/Hungry_Bus_9695 Mar 19 '23
The issue is they got leo, the most charismatic man on the planet to play him.
→ More replies (14)169
u/Advanced-Blackberry Mar 19 '23
As well as had him play Frank Abagnale.
I’m wondering if I should ask him to play me in my bio pic. Would make me look better. Can probably ask him to finance it as well.
→ More replies (1)46
u/ambrose_92 Mar 19 '23
Good idea I wanna see George Clooney play me and I can't wait to see the part where I slept for 4 years
→ More replies (3)→ More replies (24)31
82
→ More replies (2)43
u/throwaway901617 Mar 19 '23
Went to a small conference a few years ago and he was a luncheon speaker.
He talked about his adventures and how he had worked with the FBI to catch bad guys, but some of the things he had seen and done as a criminal were so wrong and his past haunted him so much that his kids would sometimes ask why he would sit in the dark staring into the distance. The moral was be good blah blah.
He lied through his teeth the entire time getting paid to give a speech about the importance of integrity and honesty.
5.1k
u/Archibald_80 Mar 19 '23
“Trust me, I’m lying”
882
u/RockFury Mar 19 '23
And a dishonest person you can always trust to be dishonest, honestly!
→ More replies (3)169
u/D-Rich-88 Mar 19 '23
Thanks Jack
→ More replies (3)53
222
→ More replies (12)17
u/ilovebeetrootalot Mar 19 '23
Ironically enough a very good book by Ryan Holiday
→ More replies (2)
7.4k
u/Killerstoner12345 Mar 19 '23
Why is this suddenly news lol. People have been saying this for years.
2.2k
u/yesitsyourmom Mar 19 '23
Yep. And a book written in 2021 proved it. He was in prison when his cons allegedly took place. Definitely not “new” news!
→ More replies (5)294
u/Alex09464367 Mar 19 '23
What is the name of the book ?
635
u/Bushmancometh Mar 19 '23
The Greatest Hoax on Earth: Catching Truth, While We Can.
126
Mar 20 '23 edited Jul 01 '23
[deleted]
41
u/pialligo Mar 20 '23
They really shoehorned that vague movie reference in eh
19
u/brads005 Mar 20 '23
They tried so goddamned hard to make that work with the movie title it just made me cringe
→ More replies (1)→ More replies (1)219
u/Compost_My_Body Mar 19 '23
Did any of you guys read the article lol
→ More replies (11)1.0k
Mar 19 '23
This is reddit we're all here for the headline and roughly 3 top level comments so that we can feel informed enough to leave our own hot take and then never come back again. Speaking of which, that's my cue to leave! Now I can go repeat those 3 top level comments to my family, friends, and coworkers and pretend I'm informed!
167
u/mynexuz Mar 19 '23
Hey now i didnt ask to be dragged like this on a sunday evening
→ More replies (2)→ More replies (13)51
840
u/TooSpicyforyoWifey Mar 19 '23
slow news day
→ More replies (7)267
u/Nixplosion Mar 19 '23
Finally....
→ More replies (1)77
256
u/thoroakenfelder Mar 19 '23
Oh good, I thought I heard this years ago and was trying to understand why this was new.
→ More replies (2)220
u/TG-Sucks Mar 19 '23
Yet looking at a ton of comments, lots of people are still unaware of it. In fact, just search for him on YouTube, he keeps getting hired to do talks in prominent venues years after the game should have been up. It’s fascinating, I watched one he did for Google Talks where he speaks extensively about the FBI, how proud he is that his son managed to get accepted, the application process etc. It’s all bullshit, just utter bullshit the entire thing.
78
u/SLCer Mar 19 '23
A company I worked for that deals with fraud used to have him come speak and this wasn't that long ago. We're talking 2014 or 2015. I'm not sure if they still book him or not but yeah, his lies are not as well-known as they should be.
→ More replies (3)46
u/JeffyPros Mar 19 '23
The only thing he didn't lie about was tricking/pressuring college girls to sleep with him under the guise of leading a flight attendant intern program.
→ More replies (5)→ More replies (8)35
u/woolfonmynoggin Mar 19 '23
Yeah someone said that he wasn’t involved in the fbi at all? Which is a pretty big lie and I’m surprised the fbi doesn’t debunk it more?
79
u/TG-Sucks Mar 19 '23
He wasn’t. The FBI has stated that they have never worked with him, or even know who the hell he is. I think he very cleverly states that he only worked for the bureau as a consultant and never became an agent, so he’s not impersonating a police officer. Someone would probably have to actually report him for fraud for them to get involved.
→ More replies (1)13
u/prodicell Mar 19 '23
At most I think he was hired to give his BS speech at some event for FBI agents, and the people who hired him had been conned like everyone else, and based on doing the speech he can twist it as being a "consultant" or "working with the FBI".
183
u/syko_conor Mar 19 '23
I rewatched the film this week and Googled him, probably set off the algorithms. Sorry guys!
→ More replies (11)→ More replies (65)55
u/SlayerXZero Mar 19 '23
There was a really good podcast on the topic. Also he tried to say he was a "noble conman" that only "ripped off airlines and banks" when in fact he hurt a lot of regular people. He also may have been a pedo.
The podcast is called "Pretend" and it is pretty good.
1.2k
u/hasnothingnice2say Mar 19 '23
“You’re a thief and a liar”
“I only lied about being a thief”
310
u/snoogins355 Mar 19 '23
Damn, Oceans 11 is a good movie
→ More replies (7)144
u/ThatRandomIdiot Mar 19 '23
It’s one of the most “fun” movies I’ve ever seen. You can tell just how much everyone on that set loved working together
→ More replies (3)54
→ More replies (10)74
u/hrlemshake Mar 20 '23
I just rewatched all 3 the other day and I can confidently say Eleven is an 11/10 masterpiece, it doesn't put a foot down wrong. The bit you posted is probably my favourite conversation in the trilogy
I don't do that anymore.
Steal?
Lie.
I'm with someone now who doesn't need to make that distinction.
Does he make you laugh?
He doesn't make me cry.
→ More replies (2)21
u/SeabassDan Mar 20 '23
You missed
I'm with someone now who doesn't need to make that distinction.
No, he's very clear on both.
→ More replies (1)
2.9k
u/Step-Father_of_Lies Mar 19 '23
I mean, bottom line is that Spielberg, Tom Hanks, Leo and everyone else made a highly entertaining movie, and it really doesn't make it any less entertaining because most of it didn't really happen.
→ More replies (46)1.1k
u/Convergecult15 Mar 19 '23
It’s a movie about a guy who writes bad checks and tells tall tales, told from the perspective of the guy who tells tall tales. I don’t get reddits dislike of the guy, it’s a weird moral outrage “how dare he not have committed those crimes”.
504
u/MTGandP Mar 19 '23
Sure, it’s good that Abagnale did not commit check fraud on a large scale, and the movie is entertaining. The problem is Abagnale now goes around giving talks about his sordid past and now he’s reformed now but he’s not reformed, he’s still lying his pants off.
→ More replies (16)215
u/ChasingTheRush Mar 19 '23
I can’t get mad that people got conned by an admitted conman. Like, he told you what he was.
→ More replies (20)46
u/Caelinus Mar 19 '23
Jordan Belfort does the same thing in a way worse way, as his is actively using his fame from his movie to run crypto-scams.
I think Robin Hood might have ruined us as kids. We all want to believe in the outlaw with a heart of gold, but most outlaws are just selfish and antisocial.
So when the movies so their best to portray them as that mythological being people stop looking into it more. If they really sat down and thought about it then it would be obvious, but the narrative is much more compelling than the reality.
10
u/3CanKeepASecret Mar 20 '23
So the moral is that we need a new Robin Hood movie with DiCaprio right?
→ More replies (1)129
u/FranglaisFred Mar 19 '23
Problem is he was lying that he was stealing from large corporations when he was, in reality, stealing from people without much money and old folks. He hurt a lot more people than he claims.
→ More replies (4)30
u/fun-dan Mar 19 '23
Did you read the article? He still did commit crimes, except instead of stealing from large corporations he stole from, like, families
→ More replies (25)62
Mar 19 '23
Literally nobody is saying that, lmao.
People are mad because he made up a fake life where he's a charming robin hood style character, at worst, and is now a full-on white hat "good guy"... but in reality he was a low level sex offender who exploited vulnerable people. And of course, like your typical sexual predator, he is now a vocal christian.
283
u/Frank__Abagnale Mar 19 '23
Pay no attention to this man, he’s an impostor. I am the real Frank Abagnale.
121
u/Duckduckgo13 Mar 19 '23
This guy made an account 10 years ago and had only one comment, breaking his streak to make another comment just to make this joke. Felt like he waited his whole Reddit career just to make this one joke. Nice
→ More replies (5)→ More replies (4)12
752
u/The84thWolf Mar 19 '23
Yeah, but it was still highly entertaining
358
Mar 19 '23
[deleted]
173
u/NGNSteveTheSamurai Mar 19 '23
That’s what Michael Franzese, the ex-mobster, does too. He does talks where he says he’s gonna give the dirt about his past life but he just tries to convert people.
→ More replies (3)46
u/psychedelicsexfunk Mar 19 '23
Also heard of a weird experience where a born-again Christian ex-inmate was giving a talk at my school (I took a sick leave) and spewed a bunch of nonsense about pop songs being the works of the devil.
I’m not saying people can’t change, but seems like they did nothing but wear a slightly different exterior
40
→ More replies (18)35
u/AgentElman Mar 19 '23
That's interesting because he was a speaker for years about his life as a con man.
In the late 80's I worked for an office that had a tape of his speech from their convention. He told all of the stories that were later in the movie. He talked about how Hollywood wanted to make a movie of his life and that Tom Cruise was going to star in it.
So at some point he must have changed his speech content.
→ More replies (3)→ More replies (4)49
531
u/retxed24 Mar 19 '23
Wasn't this common knowledge for ages? I've read about this on here a couple of times. Why are so many new articles about this shooting up? New movie/book?
127
u/overly_sarcastic24 Mar 19 '23 edited Mar 19 '23
Do people actually read the article?
If you actually read the article, it makes sense why this is coming out now.
It mentions that this has been going around for decades.
They are bringing it up now, again, because Frank is still peddling this BS in podcasts and at public speeches as recently as 2022.
→ More replies (8)43
u/migibb Mar 19 '23
I tell people that I've read it but I never did. I thought that I could get away with it.
→ More replies (4)→ More replies (9)138
u/nonsensepoem Mar 19 '23
Wasn't this common knowledge for ages?
The Eternal September keeps rolling on.
→ More replies (2)
318
65
Mar 19 '23 edited Mar 19 '23
Dr. Julian Bashir : You know, I still have a lot of questions to ask you about your past.
Elim Garak : I have given you all the answers I'm capable of.
Dr. Julian Bashir : You've given me answers all right; but they were all different. What I want to know is, out of all the stories you told me, which ones were true and which ones weren't?
Elim Garak : My dear Doctor, they're all true.
Dr. Julian Bashir : Even the lies?
Elim Garak : Especially the lies.
Edit: scene
→ More replies (10)
27
u/Imcalledtex Mar 19 '23
Reminds me of the talking dog joke. Guy responds to an ad in the newspaper ‘talking dog for sale, $20.’ Meets the owner/seller who tells him the dog is in the backyard. Goes back and has a long conversation with the dog about the dog’s career as a dia drug sniffer and a spy for the cia. Draw out the joke with lots of crazy details. The buyer goes back to the front and says, that talking dog is amazing - and what a career! Why are you selling him for $20? “Because he’s full of it, he never did any of that stuff and in sick of his bs.”
1.6k
u/Lost_vob Mar 19 '23 edited Mar 19 '23
I figured that out when Leo's character said he passed the Bar by pulling an all nighter with no previous legal experience or education. Come on, my dude. Faking being a lawyer by pulling an all-nigher, I believe. But nobody is passing the bar like that.
Edit: so apparently my ADHD-I plagued Teenage brain misremembered, it was 2 week of study. That's believable. Still impressive, but possible.
205
541
u/Ok_Comparison_8304 Mar 19 '23 edited Mar 20 '23
I think in the movie he alludes to the fact he did actually spend some time hanging around a law office or school, and when it came to the crunch he pulled an all nighter to get past the exam.
Edit: passed > past
→ More replies (4)279
u/Godisdeadbutimnot Mar 19 '23
Didn’t it take him three tries? Still not realistic but a bit more believable
370
u/JJKingwolf Mar 19 '23
Not really. Half of the bar exam is essays split into a legal writing and a short form knowledge area portion. Obviously it's changed in the 50 years since he supposedly passed, but not by that much. There's no way to fake it through, and there's no way you can absorb a 3 year doctorate in law in 2 weeks, no matter how smart you are.
114
u/LordSariel Mar 19 '23 edited Mar 19 '23
According to his memoir, which is obviously a bit less sensational than the film, he failed it twice, studied for 8 weeks, and passed it on the 3rd attempt.
It's also Louisiana, which follows the French Napoleonic legal code instead of the British common law system.
As a minor aside, I think it's incredibly difficult to verify the authenticity of Abagnale's claims because he used so many aliases.
48
u/prodicell Mar 19 '23
Not that difficult, journalists checked every single person that passed the bar around that time. No Frank, or an alias either. Also, his claims of working as a lawyer, all lies as well. The people he supposedly worked with, no one ever saw him. He couldn't even describe the building correctly.
→ More replies (80)25
→ More replies (8)27
u/BrokenZen Mar 19 '23
"Nope. Unfortunately 6th time's the charm for me."
-My cousin, Vincent LaGuardia Gambini
→ More replies (1)40
u/Thistookmedays Mar 19 '23
What if I told you I can memorize things like no other you’ve ever seen
→ More replies (2)27
49
u/jskinbake Mar 19 '23
It’s a pretty good rule of thumb to take any story told from a criminal’s perspective with a grain of salt. They spin a good yarn but the minute you start to pull, the whole thing could fall apart
→ More replies (1)→ More replies (34)125
u/jendet010 Mar 19 '23
He said he studied for 3 weeks and passed. I studied for 2 weeks but had also graduated from law school. Given the time period though and the exam and passing score back then, it seems possible if someone has a good enough memory and high enough IQ.
→ More replies (5)90
u/Jacksonteague Mar 19 '23
I have heard him say in subsequent interviews and speeches it was after 8 weeks of studying and on the third try
→ More replies (1)30
316
u/nuck_forte_dame Mar 19 '23
To be clear though it wasn't 100% lies.
He did actually impersonate a pilot and fly in jump seats.
He did pass fake checks.
Also the institutions denying his story proves nothing at all because they would deny it even if true to cover the story.
For example I believe that TWA and Pam am both denied it all when the book came out in the 80s but since they no longer exist now people who worked there confirm it.
To be clear I think the movie and book embellish obviously. He claims it was all in 5 years. So no way he spent that long as a doctor, lawyer, or professor.
More likely what occurred is he visited those places and impersonated someone for a day a week or a month maximum.
The movie plays it like it was years.
Tbh it wouldn't be hard to find a class at a university where a professor just decided not to show up and then claim to be a substitute that day or something.
Same with claiming to be a traveling medical professional there to help with a busy day.
Or show up to a court house and represent people as a defense attorney. People do this all the time for free or pay. They just sit around the court house where the small cases are going through like custody, probation, traffic tickets, and so on. Then they talk to people waiting and represent them if they can. Maybe it's a way to pump up their numbers for their resume or charity work. No one is really checking if these people passed the bar so anyone could do it back before computers.
Overall I think he sounds like a dick but just want to clarify he's not entirely lying.
97
u/JohnnyBoy11 Mar 19 '23
But he lied when he said he never went after small people when he scammed and stole from people too.
28
u/Skabonious Mar 19 '23
If he says that he's going against what he has said in the past. At one point he said he scammed every day people out of their bank deposit checks by impersonating a bank security guard or something.
→ More replies (3)59
u/FrenchFryCattaneo Mar 19 '23
When you dig down though even his 'real' claims are barely true. He did do check fraud but instead of $2.5 million it was fifteen hundred dollars. He never impersonated a lawyer, he never impersonated a professor, and he was in jail during the time he claims to have. He did impersonate a doctor but not in the way he claims - it wasn't in a hospital, it was the University of Arizona and he only claimed to be a doctor so he could sexually assault a dozen women. There is no evidence for any of his other claims, however he did commit a number of other crimes (none of which are glamorous) for which he severed several prison and jail sentences.
→ More replies (2)11
u/_The_Great_Autismo_ Mar 19 '23
This is how serial liars get caught. Telling the same lie over and over loses its appeal over time. They have to lie on top of the lies. They have to embellish. Adding details every time the story is told. The truth is almost always boring and plain with people like him.
→ More replies (2)15
u/Haunting_Average_796 Mar 19 '23
He claims it was all in 5 years. So no way he spent that long as a doctor, lawyer, or professor.
Look up German mailman Gert Postel.
The guy posed as doctor and psychiatrist throughout the 80s and 90s. Not continuously, his longest stint was 18 months. When he got busted it wasn't work related. Once he lost his real ID on site, other times people recognized him.
Nobody ever questioned his competence because he worked from what he knew or deferred to other people. He beat three dozen specialists for one job by giving a presentation about deceptive behavior. Then on the job refrained from prescribing drugs and ordered personal to talk with the patients.
This gained him high praise and he was offered promotions. Even was set for an interview with the government of Saxony for heading of the state hospital for psychiatry.
Kicker is, there were obvious holes in his education and he rubbed it into people's face. Claimed his thesis was about stereotypes distorting judgement, basically saying as long as he played to those stereotypes they would rationalize inconsistencies.
89
u/MrDeacle Mar 19 '23
"Me? I'm dishonest, and a dishonest man you can always trust to be dishonest."
38
u/KuciMane Mar 19 '23
Honestly, it’s the honest ones you want to watch out for
→ More replies (1)29
u/Cryowave Mar 19 '23
Because you can never predict when they're gonna do something incredibly...stupid
→ More replies (1)
16
u/lewisronco Mar 19 '23
When that movie came out my first thought was that this was the story of my great uncle only dramatized. He spent much of his 20's and 30's forging military documents and gaining access to military aircraft and flying around the world in them. He was a self-taught pilot and his goal was to get on the military payroll which he said he was never able to do.
He ended up in federal prison after being caught impersonating a hospital administrator in Houston in the 60's I believe. It was uncanny how similar his story was to Catch Me If You Can...not so much in the specifics but in the overall cons they engaged in. I wonder if the author of his "memoir" grab details from my great uncle's story. I never saw anything official regarding his escapades flying around military planes but the story of his con in Houston made it into the Saturday Evening Post in the 60's.
In my younger days I had dreams of writing a book about him so I sat down with him for about 3 hours with my parents and just had him tell me stories. At this time he was in his 60's and had a legitimate business and was doing well but, oddly, was living under an assumed name. You could never be certain that the stories he told about the military side of his antics were true or not but they were great stories nonetheless.
14
Mar 19 '23
The world's greatest imposter was actually just posing as an imposter.
→ More replies (1)
15
u/erishun Mar 19 '23
Kind of like “The Iceman” who was a hitman that said he committed hundreds of contract killings and they were mostly nonsense
→ More replies (1)
40
13
70
u/Scat_fiend Mar 19 '23
Are you sure? What if this is the lie and he is lying about lying about his lies. It is full on lieception.
→ More replies (3)
26
u/ahmc84 Mar 19 '23
According to both Abagnale himself and his autobiography
"According to the guy and also the same guy..."
→ More replies (2)
33
u/Whitecastle56 Mar 19 '23
Jack Sparrow said it best “I'm dishonest, and a dishonest man you can always trust to be dishonest. Honestly, it's the honest ones you want to watch out for, because you can never predict when they're going to do something incredibly stupid.”
22.1k
u/[deleted] Mar 19 '23
So he cons the world that he is a master conman. Does that make him an actual master conman?